I saw something yesterday on those little headlines that run across the bottom of the screen
on CNN.
It was about the latest case of hazing.
I really think that since there was a crackdown on hazing a while back that it is less frequent -
that is you don't hear about as many deaths caused by hazing these days.
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But really - isn't hazing just what you would call 'bullying your own?'
Like picking on your younger brother then saying -
come on, I was only kidding
welcome to the family - that is if you don't die first
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Hazing seems to be a guy thing.
A college fraternity guy thing. I don't recall ever reading about women hazing.
but - of course - that doesn't mean it hasn't happened
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I take it from this post that you know very little of the "weavers" art.
Good morning Speedy
You can take it from this post that I know nothing about the 'weavers' art.
Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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You - Speedy.
And please - not Thersites.
I really am not up to a lengthy
and complicated explanation today.
:-)
I have a feeling it's not about rugs.
I just thought that someone who purports to be very interested in bringing Americans together would know something of the weavers art. After all, it has been the classical model used for thousands of years.
The first step in the process, is normally the carding.
Then comes the spinning of the woof/weft/warp. And then only after the thread has been spun, can the fabric be woven into the peplos.
Would you legislate that the weavers skip the carding step?
Speedy - No I would not skip carding.
But what ever made you suggest that I would - or question it.
Surely anyone who has been following my blog and comments can see that I am a natural carder at heart.
Or am I not making myself clear.
clear as mud...
'clear as mud'
Speedy - Did you see where the guy who was hazed was seriously injured and nine were arrested?
you may call it mud but to me it is some serious sh*t
Is it? Maybe they should just let anybody pledge Phi Beta Sigma and join the fraternity. Think?
I seem to remember that the Klan was nearing 4 million members in 1920 and grew to 6 million by 1925, 10 years after phi beta sigma's founding.
As the struggle for the civil rights of African Americans renewed in the 1950s, Sigma men held positions of leadership among various civil rights groups, organized protests, and proposed the famous March on Washington of 1963. In Atlanta, A. Phillip Randolph helped with the establishment of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in 1957. Randolph and fraternity brother John Lewis would later be involved with the ′63 March on Washington, Randolph as a key organizer and Lewis as a speaker representing the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).
In 1961, Phi Beta Sigma brother James Forman joined and became the executive secretary of the then newly formed Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. From 1961 to 1965 Forman, a decade older and more experienced than most of the other members of SNCC, became responsible for providing organizational support to the young, loosely affiliated activists by paying bills, radically expanding the institutional staff, and planning the logistics for programs. Under the leadership of Forman and others, SNCC became an important political player at the height of the Civil Rights Movement.
Do you suppose that any of the above members weren't "hazed"?
Ther - You know darn well that I can't handle these really long and hard comments.
I think you do it to trip me up.
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Now why don't you summerize that comment so that I can deal with it.
Ok?
Ther - I too remember reading those figures in the newspaper back in 1920 - and again in 1925.
Thersites - I've often thought that just anyone should be able to join phi beta sigma.
I once tried to join it myself but then I heard that hazing was involved so I lost interest.
Are you familiar with the APA and the APS? Anyone can join the APA. You have to be "nominated" to join the APS. Do you think that's "fair"? And which organization, do you suppose, people would rather belong to? And which organization, do you suppose, institutes greater and more far reaching results, and "why" do you suppose that is?
Hazing is a test that takes "willpower" to pass. And it generally acts as a good screening mechanism that keeps out the "casual" dilettante. In other words, you will either succeed in playing the Rach 3, or we won't bother listening to you...
I went to college at the United States Merchant Marine Academy. During the first few months that I was there, the people there did everything they could to make my life miserable and get me to quit. My education cost the US taxpayer a substantial chunk of change, and they didn't want to waste it on anyone that wasn't committed to graduating.
And so, perhaps I see "hazing" in a somewhat different light than you do. ;)
ther - frankly i don't give a
d*amn how you see hazing - i will never change my mind about how i feel about it -even if you say it builds character - i have seen no evidence of frat boys having character
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But first of all - Thersites - you have my deep gratitude and thanks if you are a Military Person.
I don't mind if it cost the taxpayers a lot.
Thersites - The picture of the ships is beautiful.
And do you mind if I copy down the LMA quote - since I have somewhat built my life on quotes-
as soon as I get my house in order and have a 3 x 5 card available
I would like to be worthy of being nominated to the APS - since there is a picture of Marie Curie on that one.
however i am not interested in having my character strengthened by hazing
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on second thought - i'll join the one bill maher belongs to
I'm quite sure Bill wouldn't approve of hazing for any reason.
lol! Did I say that it "builds character?" It does nothing of the sort.
Do you think that when a gang "jumps in" a new member, that they are attempting to help the new member "build character"?
It's a "gate-keeping" tactic/test that exacts a "cost" for anyone who wishes to enter. You want socialism? Hazing is socialism in a nut-shell. Belonging entails a "sacrifice". You have to pay it in order to belong. And most times, it's not "money" that they want. It's your "self-pride". If you "pass" you get to keep it. If you "fail" it's all forfeit and you are shown no "respect".
Bill Maher hazes those that refuse/don't want to join his club. In most society's that makes him an *sshole bully, nothing more.
Thersites - Bill Maher is not an
a**hol* b*lly.
How many times do I have to say this:
With Bill - you have to study him for at least a year(for me it has been over three.)
You have to see his standup comedy - and yes - at first be offended.
Then you get over that to some extent - kind of like being desensitized.
Finally you have to want to see the good in him - and if you do - then you will see it.
And you will not change your mind about him once - like me - you are hooked.
Bill is the genuine article.
and - I might add - Dear Thersites -
so am I
Ther - Bil takes a lot of hits.
He has to have some type of 'protective sheild' to help him out.
That is what you may be seeing.
kind of like any President of the United States - and especially the current one.
Barack Obama has a wife and children - and probably a strong, supportive mother-in-law.
They form a protective shield around him - of sorts.
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Bill is not married - he has to form a protective sheild of his own - watch his own back - so to speak.
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but now he has me as a sort of protective sheild - but he may not know that yet
he will before too long
Sorry. I see no socially redeeming value in anything the man says or does. He's a "divider", not a uniter. Lot's of carding so as to leave nothing but "woof" in his weave. The warp is all "excluded".
Thersites - It is too soon for you to definitely label me as a Socialist.
I may have Socialist tendencies - but my Political - what should I say - my Political Leanings are still being formed.
Look Ther -
My mind is made up.
My opinion of Bill Maher will not go away.
If I should chance to meet him - then I will know for sure - but then I already do.
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if you want nothing to do with Bill - that's your opinion
I have a right to mine.
Indeed you do. But you also claim to aspire to being a "uniter". And since you don't see anything in Bill that "divides", I can be little but skeptical of your claims.
Ther - I absolutely understand why you feel the way you do about Bill Maher.
However I told you that I have been scrutinizing Bill for almost three years.
Was it you that said that you turn
him off after a few minutes - or seconds.
So how can you purport to really know what makes him tick.
make that almost four years
Maher has been in the public eye for nearly twenty years. I'm "down" to a 30 second tolerance level. It started out MUCH higher. He has "soured" with age.
His AND mine.
Ther - 'down to a 30 second tolerence level'
pity - i'm in it for the duration
thersites - 'His AND mine'
I don't follow you.
We are souring in opposite directions as we age, Maher and myself.
-FJ - This 'souring' thing - I do not like.
maybe it is out of my reach but if I do not try - then what use am I.
The more someone tries to discourage me from what I have set out to do and I believe in - the more determined I become.
And that is how it is with Bill.
What really disturbs me - -FJ - is why you are so determined that Bill becomes 'sour.'
After all he has done for us - it makes me suspicious that you should make him become 'sour.'
If I can awaken my 96 year old mother - I can do the same for him.
If you let me.
please
In which way are you souring - -FJ?
I'm souring on 'modern' liberalism. Maher thinks that he knows something that I don't know. I know that I know nothing, and I also know that HE knows nothing. He thinks that he is getting smarter. I know that I am NOT. And so Never the two shall meet. And so for me to listen to him becomes less and less "bearable" as he becomes increasingly "insufferably boring".
I'm an old fashioned "know nothing" liberal. Maher is a new fangled "progressive" know it ALL liberal.
Epimetheus always thought himself the "smarter brother". That's why Zeus presented Pandora to him, and not Prometheus.
Oooops... that wasn't supposed to be a 3 penny link, above. My bad. Capt. Hindsight, to the rescue!
Speed - Why don't you take FDR's advice that he used when campaigning:
He said I never mention my opponent's name - and give him
attention.
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Speedy - You seem to have intense dislike for Bill Maher.
So why don't you give it a rest and stop talking about him.
I've never heard him say a bad word about you.
Speedy - about Bil Maher being
'insufferably boring.'
Ok - I promise to mention that to him as soon as I talk to him.
I've never heard him say a bad word about you.
Okay. in future I'll just call all progressives "insufferable bores". Feel better now?
Tersites - I don't care if you like Bill Maher or not.
I like him.
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I also like you.
Isn't it ok for me to like both you and Bill Maher?
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Can you still comment on my blog even though I like Bill Maher and you don't?
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I see that this is becoming a serious problem in our country today:
people are loosing the ability to like someone even if that person likes someone they don't like.
know what i mean?
I like Bach.
I may like someone who doesn't like Bach.
Can't I still be 'friends' with the person who doesn't like Bach?
that is pretty basic but you can apply it to any level
Sue,
Please feel to like whomever suits your fancy. Please feel free to blog about them. Please don't take it personally if I should happen to criticize some of them. As far as I know, the Left doesn't have a monopoly on "critical theory". So if you wish to dislike me because I am critical of others whom you like, I'll understand. A lot of people today don't like to take the good that they find in others with the bad. And a lot of other people take "silence" and an "absense" of criticism as "agreement". I have a feeling that the latter group of people would be surprised to discover that their views are not nearly as "mainstream" as they believe them to be.
Absolute - I will never dislike you no matter what you say to me.
I feel a connection to you which is why I come to your blog and ask you to comment to reassure me that you are still there.
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I should not criticize you for criticizing Bill Maher.
With Bill I used to think that I could take the 'bad' in him with the good. But now I don't see the 'bad' anymore. But I realize that I still need to have discernment in everything I do.
I know exactly what you mean when you say that people are afraid that
'silience' or 'absence of criticizm' means agreement.
This is understandable.
For me he has passed the test. But that does not mean that others feel the same.
For some reason you have passed the test for me.
Sometimes when people criticize Bill I feel they are trying to dissuade me from liking him - when rather they are trying to make it clear how they feel.
you know - by association
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